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Previously on The Hack...

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I'm friends with
Clare Rewcastle Brown,

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the journalist and sister-in-law
of Gordon Brown.

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'He's leaning in.'

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Murdoch's ambition is limitless,
but he's overstepped here.

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Part of a new operation,
Operation Weeting.

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We're investigating
allegations of phone hacking.

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Contact of mine in the force
has been put on it. He's feeding me.

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DAVE: This fell into your lap, OK?

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NICK: 'This could get you
in serious trouble.'

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Hello.
'Dave, it's Mike at The Sun.'

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Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan,

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Nick Davies anything
about our cases,

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and you'll be strung up
for all to see.

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NICK: I was in the database.
News Of The World, April 14th, 2002.

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Milly Dowler.

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AMELIA: 'Jingle says there is a page
on Dowler in Marquez' notebooks.'

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The News Of The World
will not be forgiven for this.

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I was being drawn to stories
again and again with the same theme.

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A deep-seated urge to hit back
at anybody at all

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who takes power and abuses it.

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WOMAN: Our guest now joining us
from the newsroom of The Guardian

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is Nick Davies,
award-winning journalist

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who has brought phone hacking
into the light.

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Hi.
Now, Nick Davies...

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could you have predicted the furore

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that the Milly Dowler case
seems to have caused?

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Predicted? No.

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But I do think it speaks well
for the British public,

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for the world public,
that a furore has been provoked.

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You have Rupert Murdoch
firmly on the ropes.

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I have to say, I'm horrified that
they closed the News Of The World.

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Good journalists
have lost their jobs.

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I believe this was a cynical move
on Murdoch's part

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to help aid his capture of BSkyB.

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'And what do you think it is about
the Milly Dowler case

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'that has had such an impact?'

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Well, what we discovered

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was that during the period
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News Of The World
were using a private investigator

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to listen to her voicemails,

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so that, in itself, is horrid,
deeply personal stuff.

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Friends and family still thought
she may have run away

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and were imploring her to come home.

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The voicemail filled up,

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which is why
they deleted the messages.

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Now, friends and family

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who had previously heard
the message, voicemail, full

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were surprised by this,

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and the presumption became
that Milly was still alive.

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'I guess we all wanna know
whether Rupert Murdoch will feature

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'in front of your Leveson Inquiry
and what...' Ah. Ah.

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Well, before Leveson, actually,
Rupert Murdoch is due to speak

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at the House of Commons
Media Select Committee.

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We want to get answers from him

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as to what he knew
about phone hacking,

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widespread practice
at his newspaper,

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when he knew about it,
and why he didn't act.

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'Nick Davies,
thank you for joining us.'

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Thank you for having me.

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Whether Rupert bails on us,
I don't know. You could compel him.

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The thing you need to ask is

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can you truly compel Murdoch
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Are we singing Happy Birthday?

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So, who's getting to ask
the first question? Well, I do.

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Though Nick is intent
on writing it for me.

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GLASS CLINKING
I think we should sing.

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No. Happy Birthday
is a terrible song.

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Nick thinks
Happy Birthday's fascistic.

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It is culturally fascistic -

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everyone has to sing the same song
on their bloody birthday.

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Where's the individuality?
Well, we could sing, erm...

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What's the one where we count
the candles on the birthday cake?

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Have we the energy?
Oi. Well, speech.

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At least we deserve a speech.
Yes, yes. On your feet.

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Er, no. But, OK, I would like
to thank you all for coming.

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And I would like to remind you
we have work to do.

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The Select Committee...
Boo!

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The Select Committee is our chance,
with Murdoch on the stand...

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And I won't let you down.

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No, no, no, Tom, I'm not saying...
Maybe I should have let you retire.

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You were gonna retire?
Move to Belgium.

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Ah. Chocolate.

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And then with Leveson making sure
we're fully prepared...

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Nick... Nick, today, we celebrate.

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A prep session would've been
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Not only are the songs fascistic,

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but Nick thinks birthdays
are narcissistic.

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He likes to work.
True.

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How nice, then,
that none of his friends came,

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just the people he works with.

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Now you're treading a very fine line
between insulting... Sod this.

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Oh, God.

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Oh, God.

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CAMERA CLICKS

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CAMERA CLICKS

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Hi.
Hi.

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So, good news and bad news.

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Good news, it's all cooking nicely
for the Select Committee.

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The bad news, you are gonna have
to give evidence at Leveson.

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It needs your heft. It needs...

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Look, Alan's house
may have been compromised. What?

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He hired someone
to sweep his house for bugs.

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That person subcontracted it.

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The person
they subcontracted it to...

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Worked for Rees?
..was an associate of Rees.

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How do you know?
I can't tell you.

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But I know Rees has been bragging
about how he knows the bug sweeper.

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Are you sure?

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Ask Alan about the socks
he keeps under the piano.

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What socks?

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Oh, Christ.
It's true?!

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I like, erm...

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I get a better feel for the piano
if I play barefoot.

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Alan, you do not have
good hiring practices.

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Seems possible to claim.

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You hired someone
to debug your house,

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and instead,
they may have compromised...

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Are my children in danger?

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Dave doesn't think so.
Don't know about you and me.

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We've got Murdoch on the stand.

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They know they're being hunted.

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Cornered animal,
the most vicious animal of all.

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Fuck.

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SIGHS

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I thought the worst of it was over.

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HORN BEEPS

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The day after Cameron announced
the Leveson Inquiry

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into phone hacking,
the CMS Select Committee

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issued an order summoning
Rupert Murdoch and his son James

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to attend parliament
on the 19th of July

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to basically explain themselves.

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The significance of this moment
was not lost on any of us.

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If we asked the right questions,
we could ensnare them,

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both of them, father and son.

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DOOR OPENS

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WHITTINGDALE: OK, everyone,
settle now, please.

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We are now in session.

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Mr Watson
will ask the first question.

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Mr Murdoch Sr, Mr Murdoch Jr,

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good afternoon,
thanks for coming in today.

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My first question
is for Mr Murdoch Sr.

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You have repeatedly stated

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that News Corp has zero tolerance
to wrongdoing by employees.

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Is that right?

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Is that me?

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Yes.

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In October 2010,
did you still believe it to be true

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when you made your Thatcher speech
and you said,

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"Let me be clear. We will
vigorously pursue the truth,

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"and we will not tolerate
wrongdoing"?

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Yes.

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So if you were not lying then,
somebody lied to you.

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Who was it?
I don't know.

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That is what the police
are investigating

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and we are helping them with.

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But you acknowledge
that you were misled?

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Clearly.

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If I can take you to...
WHISPERS: He's doing...

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..2006, when Clive Goodman
was arrested

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and subsequently convicted
of intercepting voicemails,

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were you made aware of that?

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I think so. I was certainly made
aware of when they were convicted.

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And what did News International do

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subsequent to the arrest
of Clive Goodman and Glenn Mulcaire

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to get to the facts?

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We worked with the police
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and eventually, we appointed,
very quickly appointed,

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a very leading firm of lawyers
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to investigate it further.

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What did you personally do
to investigate that?

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After Mr Goodman
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you were obviously concerned
about it.

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I spoke to Mr, erm...

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..Hinton, who told me about it.

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OK.

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In 2008, another two years,

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why did you not dismiss

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News Of The World chief reporter
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following the Mosley case?

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I'd never heard of him.

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So none of your UK staff

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drew your attention
to this serious wrongdoing,

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even though the case received
widespread media attention?

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I think my son can perhaps
answer that in more detail.

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He was a lot closer to it.

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I will come to your son in a minute.

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Can I ask you, when did you first
meet Mr Alex Marunchak?

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Mr...?

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Alex Marunchak.

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He worked for the company
for 25 years.

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I don't remember meeting him.

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I might have shaken hands
walking through the office,

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but I don't have any memory.

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Mr Murdoch Sr, you seem to indicate

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that you had a rather hands-off
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Could you just give us
an illustration

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of how often you would speak
to the editors of your newspapers?

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For example, how often you would
speak to the editor of The Sun,

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or to the editor
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Erm, very seldom.

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Sometimes, I'd ring the editor
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on a Saturday night and say,
"Have you got any news tonight?"

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But it was just to keep in touch.

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Well, I'm intrigued as to how
these conversations might go.

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I imagine that to the editor
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it might go along the lines of,
"Anything to report?"

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And the editor
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"No, no, it's been a standard week.
We paid Gordon Taylor £600,000."

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He never said that last sentence.

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Well, I mean,
surely in your weekly conversation

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with the editor
of the News Of The World,

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with something as big as that,
paying someone a million pounds,

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paying someone £700,000,

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I mean, surely you'd have expected
the editor

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to just drop it
into the conversation at some point

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during your weekly chat.

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No, I'd say, "What's doing?"

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Sorry?
I'd say, "What's doing?"

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And what sort of response
would you expect?

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Well, he might say, "We've got
a great story exposing X or Y,"

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or he would say, more likely,
"Nothing special."

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He might refer to the fact
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were dedicated
to the football that week.

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But he wouldn't tell you about
a million-pound pay-off?

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Er, I just want to say that...

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I was brought up by a father
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but who was a great journalist.

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And he, just before he died,
bought a small paper,

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specifically in his will,

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saying he was giving me the chance
to do good.

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Now, I remember what he did
and what he was most proud of

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and for which
he was hated in this country

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by many people for many, many years,

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which was to expose
the scandal at Gallipoli,

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which I remain very, very proud of.

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I think that all students of history
will be...

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Scheming...!
CLAMOUR

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Erm, the-the sitting is suspended.

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Fuck it.

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WOMAN ON TV:
'The defence told the court

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'the father-of-one from Windsor
had wanted to show his revulsion

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'over the scandal
at News International.

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'He'd admitted assault...'

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If I get my hands on that fool...
He's in custody.

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He thinks, what,
that his amateur dramatics

250
00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,320
are more useful than
what we were doing in that room?

251
00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,960
Good questions were asked.
Yeah, and they weren't answered.

252
00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,960
And that obfuscation is important.
Or it was.

253
00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,480
Oh, God, that... awful senile act
Murdoch was putting on,

254
00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:36,960
that needed writing about.

255
00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,960
But now, every paper will carry
one thing and one thing only -

256
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Wendi Murdoch fighting for her man.

257
00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,960
You're worrying too much, Nick.
You don't understand news cycles.

258
00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,960
Well, there's still Leveson.
Yeah, nothing else but Leveson.

259
00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,640
There is no air but Leveson.
If Leveson doesn't produce...

260
00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,960
Then what? You gonna hide under a
tea towel for the rest of your life?

261
00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,960
Look, Nick, a serious inquiry
led by quite a clever bloke

262
00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,960
is happening
because of your journalism.

263
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It could mean regulation, ethics,

264
00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,960
maybe even
an appropriate relationship

265
00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,160
between press, politicians
and police.

266
00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,960
When did you become
the positive one?

267
00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,480
Oh, fuck off.

268
00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,960
Lord Leveson's report's given us
a new press and a new Dave Cook.

269
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Fuck off. Twice.

270
00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,960
INAUDIBLE

271
00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,960
What's the latest
with the Select Committee?

272
00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,960
Get James Murdoch back in.
On what grounds?

273
00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,960
Clarity on whether or not
he was told about the Neville email.

274
00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,800
Why are there police officers
in our newsroom?

275
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What?

276
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PHONE RINGS

277
00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,960
They want to talk to Amelia.
Amelia? What about?

278
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They're citing
the Official Secrets Act.

279
00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,960
PHONE RINGS

280
00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:12,800
Yeah?
NICK: 'Hi. Where are you?'

281
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On my way somewhere.
Can't tell you where.

282
00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,960
Amelia, this is Alan.

283
00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,960
'Alan, I'm just on my way
to meet someone.'

284
00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,960
What's going on?
'I think you should come in.'

285
00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,960
They're upstairs. They won't leave
until they've spoken to you.

286
00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,480
No. No way. Not without a lawyer.
Agreed.

287
00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:34,960
They don't like my biscuits,

288
00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,960
and they don't like my small talk
about Chopin.

289
00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,960
They're saying
they need your notebooks.

290
00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,960
If you can't find your notebooks,

291
00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,960
they'll get a warrant
and enter your flat.

292
00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,960
They're also saying if the notebooks
aren't in your flat,

293
00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:47,960
they could visit your mother.

294
00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,000
Tell them I'm not going to give up
my source or my notes.

295
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,960
I'd rather go to prison.

296
00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,320
Right.

297
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,320
Good.

298
00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,960
I'll contact some friends,
give you some recommendations,

299
00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,960
or you can find a lawyer yourself,
a human rights specialist.

300
00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,960
This will get leaked, right?
I'd expect so.

301
00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,960
But you might need to stay
somewhere else tonight,

302
00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,960
a friend's or...
Is this what happens?

303
00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,640
We were exposing them,
not the other way around.

304
00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,320
It isn't what happens.

305
00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,960
But it does seem to be
what's happening.

306
00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,320
I'm so sorry.

307
00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,960
DIALLING TONE

308
00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,960
DAVE: 'Hi.'

309
00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,960
Hi. How are you?

310
00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:38,960
I'm OK.

311
00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,960
I'm calling about Leveson.

312
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,960
Erm, I'm going to apply
to be a core participant.

313
00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,160
The group, Hacked Off, I don't know
if you've... Yeah, yeah.

314
00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,960
Well, they saw
the Channel 4 interview,

315
00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,000
and they've been pretty insistent
that I say something.

316
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,960
Not that they're making me, erm...

317
00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,960
They seem very good people.

318
00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:01,960
'They don't really have anyone
to talk to about the Met

319
00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,960
'from the inside, and I think
that's why they want me.'

320
00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,960
Oh, they have you, and they have me.

321
00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,320
You're doing it, too?
I registered yesterday.

322
00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,160
I was gonna email.

323
00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:15,960
'There are implications.'

324
00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,960
Sure.
For the kids.

325
00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,800
We'll have to speak to their school,
their friends. We could be targets.

326
00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:25,960
Why is it worse me doing it
than you?

327
00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,960
Because of Daniel Morgan,
because the case collapsed.

328
00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,960
They said you were feeding lines
to a witness.

329
00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,960
You don't think they're gonna use
that against you if you give evi...?

330
00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,160
No, no, listen, listen, Jacqui.

331
00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,960
I just want this out there,
same as you do, OK?

332
00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:49,960
KNOCKING ON DOOR

333
00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,960
Hi, Nick. Sue Akers.
I hope I'm not disturbing you.

334
00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:57,960
Deputy Assistant Commissioner,
this is quite...

335
00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,480
Call me Sue, please.
..quite the surprise, Sue.

336
00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,000
I was hoping you might have a moment
to make me a cup of tea.

337
00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,960
Of course I do.
Yeah, of course. Come in. Sorry.

338
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,960
Through here.
Thanks.

339
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,960
You're coming to my house,
not a short distance, on a Saturday.

340
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,960
So... whatever this is
can't be good.

341
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,960
I mean, I have to assume...
it can't be good at all.

342
00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,960
Maybe take a seat.
Oh, God.

343
00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,640
Nick, I'm afraid
that part of the story you published

344
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,320
about Milly Dowler is inaccurate.

345
00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:41,960
Inaccurate how?

346
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,960
It looks likely
that the News Of The World

347
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,960
did not delete voice messages
from Milly Dowler's phone.

348
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,960
It's probable
it was the phone company.

349
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,320
That's not... I have...
I have two separate sources.

350
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:58,160
The network she used automatically
deleted messages after 72 hours.

351
00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,960
That's how we presume
they were wiped.

352
00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,320
You're using words like presumed,
probable, likely.

353
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,640
And we believe
those deletions happened

354
00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,960
prior to Glenn Mulcaire being
instructed to get inside her phone.

355
00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,960
Before Mulcaire?

356
00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,160
Nick, I came here in person
to acknowledge all you've done.

357
00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,960
Without you, Weeting is impossible.

358
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,160
Without you...
You can't know for certain

359
00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,480
who deleted what.

360
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,960
I'm sorry. We'll be releasing
a statement to correct the record.

361
00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,000
The article said messages
were deleted by journalists

362
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,960
in the first few days
after Milly's disappearance.

363
00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,960
That's the only inaccuracy.
It's a large one.

364
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,960
I have a good source which tells me

365
00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,960
Surrey Police turned off
the automatic deletion system

366
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:47,960
on the fourth day,

367
00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,000
and some voicemail appeared
to have been deleted after.

368
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,800
Will they sue?

369
00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:54,960
No.
Sure?

370
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,800
They were inside the phone?
Yes.

371
00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,960
They may have
subsequently deleted messages.

372
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,960
My source tells me they did.
I believe my source.

373
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,960
Then there is too much
for them to lose in court.

374
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:08,960
Right.

375
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,000
Well, then we issue a retraction
and an apology. Bah!

376
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000
We made a mistake.
We may not have!

377
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,960
We made a mistake, Nick,
but there we are.

378
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,960
Ten lashes for you,
ten lashes for me.

379
00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,640
Sue Akers agrees
with most of our story.

380
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,960
They did hack the phone.

381
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,800
Surrey Police did know about it,
surely. I have two priorities.

382
00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,320
That they don't use this

383
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,960
to try and obfuscate the crime
they have committed.

384
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,960
A dead girl's phone was hacked.

385
00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,960
And my other priority is you.
God!

386
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,960
What was that Carl Bernstein quote?

387
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,320
All great reporting
is the same thing -

388
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,960
best obtainable version
of the truth.

389
00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,960
I'm gonna be absolutely monstered.

390
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,960
It serves them very well
to try and destroy your reputation.

391
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:54,960
I don't want to apologise.

392
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,960
Then don't.

393
00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,640
The paper has to. You don't.

394
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:05,640
Stand up, put on
some iron underwear, and fight.

395
00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,320
INHALES SHARPLY

396
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,960
The monstering was high-energy.
Fuck you!

397
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,480
Doubt turned into certainty
that we had got it wrong.

398
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,640
Fuck you!

399
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,640
Richard Caseby,
managing editor of The Sun,

400
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:20,960
told the House of Lords Committee

401
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,960
that Alan Rusbridger
had sexed up his investigation

402
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,960
into phone hacking.
Fuck you!

403
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,960
Rod Liddle in the Sunday Times

404
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,960
said boldly
The Guardian had made it up.

405
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:29,960
Shame on you.

406
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,640
But beneath all...

407
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,960
..beneath all that exaggeration
and hostility

408
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,640
was the fact that I had stated
as a fact

409
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,960
something which now appeared
to be untrue.

410
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,640
I had damaged myself,
and I'd exposed The Guardian.

411
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,960
So, how are you enjoying it?

412
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,960
Yeah, it's quite a thing.
To be outside your house?

413
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,160
Whatever fuel they have they're
readying to throw in the fire.

414
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,000
So why are you so calm?
Oh, I'm an optimist/pessimist.

415
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,960
I presume I'm capable
of great things

416
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,000
and yet assume
the worst's about to happen.

417
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,960
You always thought
you'd be found out.

418
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:11,960
My mother said I would be.

419
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,960
Maybe I should be
an optimist/pessimist.

420
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,960
I wouldn't recommend. It does
horrible things to your guts.

421
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,960
You're really going to New York?

422
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,960
The police haven't charged me.
I'm free to go.

423
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,960
But you could just stay here.
Yesterday's stale toast in no time.

424
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,160
The Evening Standard

425
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,800
tried to do a story about me
sleeping with my source.

426
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,480
A few weeks later, they rang
and said I was sleeping with an MP.

427
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,800
Wrong Amelia,
and she's married to him.

428
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,960
Yep.
I just... I can't.

429
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,480
I don't want to be the story.

430
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,960
No.

431
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,320
No, I'm not sure I do, either.

432
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,960
Luckily, they had a booking free
for me on Newsnight tonight,

433
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,960
and Jeremy Paxman's
a notoriously kind interviewer (!)

434
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:01,960
You're going on Newsnight?
Yeah.

435
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,960
Against whoever News International
think will do me most damage.

436
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,480
But, you know, steel underpants
filled with stale toast. Be fine.

437
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,960
If I don't come back...

438
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,960
I mean, I want to say something.

439
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,960
When this is all done
and they tell the story of it,

440
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,960
you know, when you look back
or write about it...

441
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,960
..don't paint me as your protege.

442
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,960
I mean, I've been at this
a long time.

443
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,960
I worked Jingle
across multiple cases for years.

444
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,320
I mean, it was your story,

445
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,960
and Milly would've never happened
without you.

446
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,960
But it wouldn't have happened
without me, either.

447
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,960
You don't need to say anything.

448
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,960
Don't let them whitewash
the other people out.

449
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,960
Don't need to say any of this.

450
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,640
I actually do.

451
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,320
You have my word.

452
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:03,960
OK.

453
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,800
Email me when you get there.

454
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,000
If Paxman
hasn't killed you first (!)

455
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,960
Then email my corpse.

456
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,800
Good luck, Nick.

457
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,960
NEWSNIGHT THEME
PLAYS

458
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,960
JEREMY: Tonight, who knew what and
when in the phone hacking scandal?

459
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,960
Could James Murdoch
really have been unaware?

460
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,960
Why did The Guardian claim
the News Of The World

461
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,960
deleted voice messages
when they had no evidence?

462
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,960
It was
The Guardian newspaper's claims,

463
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,960
stated as fact, that they'd been
erased by the News Of The World,

464
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,960
which triggered the shutdown
of what was once

465
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,960
the biggest-selling paper
in the English-speaking world.

466
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,960
Nick Davies, let's cut to the chase.

467
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,960
What you claim to be a fact
wasn't a fact, was it?

468
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:02,480
NICK ON TV:
'The story we published in July

469
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,960
'was squarely based
on the evidence available,

470
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,960
'correct in saying
that her voicemail was deleted.'

471
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,960
And it remains the case that
News International are not denying

472
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,960
that News Of The World journalists

473
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,960
may have been responsible
for those deletions.

474
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,960
Well, let's look at
the front page here. Yeah.

475
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,960
"News Of The World
hacked Milly Dowler's phone

476
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,800
"during police hunt."
Exactly.

477
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,960
Then, "The paper deleted
missing schoolgirl's voicemails,

478
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,960
"giving family false hope."
Yeah.

479
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:26,960
And you say in the copy

480
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,960
the messages
were deleted by journalists

481
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,640
in the first few days
after Milly's disappearance.

482
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,000
Everybody who was involved
in that story accepted it was true.

483
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,640
It's a very interesting thing
that... No, no, no.

484
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,000
..when that story was done...
No. No, no.

485
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,960
You're not allowing me to answer?
No, because you're not answering.

486
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,960
You're not asking
the right questions.

487
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,960
Oh, I'm sorry.
JEREMY SCOFFS

488
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,960
Everybody... involved in that story

489
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,800
accepted that that story was true.

490
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,960
And you believed it to be true.
..and continued to accept

491
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960
until four months later...
Right, perhaps.

492
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,960
..new evidence
which was not available,

493
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,960
to everybody's surprise...
You did not report it like that.

494
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,800
..showed that one element
of that story is now in doubt.

495
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,000
It has not been proved to be untrue.
So you accept it wasn't true.

496
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,480
Jules Stenson was a features editor.
What do you say?

497
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,960
Well, the key point to this as well
is that this wasn't any old story.

498
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,960
This was a story
that was the most important story

499
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:18,960
in The Guardian's history.

500
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,960
It was vital that every single
element of it should be right,

501
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960
and Nick Davies repeated
that allegation 34 times.

502
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960
Let's get things in proportion here.

503
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,960
Your newspaper had hacked
a murdered girl's telephone.

504
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,000
What we did was indefensible,

505
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,960
not just to Milly
but to all the victims of hacking.

506
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960
I'm not here to justify that
in any way.

507
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,640
What I am here to do, though,
is to attack the shoddy journalism

508
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,960
of The Guardian
and the shoddy journalism of Nick.

509
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,960
This-This is a classic example
of the way tabloid newspapers work.

510
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,960
You're in a heap of trouble
because for years,

511
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,960
you personally
have taken Murdoch's money

512
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,960
and ruined people's lives,

513
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,960
invaded people's privacy
and engaged in criminal activity.

514
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,960
You've hired private investigators
in the past

515
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,960
who've broken the law,
haven't you, Jules?

516
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,960
I'm not here to justify...
Haven't you?

517
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,960
You accuse me of shoddy journalism

518
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,480
when your name
is all over the records

519
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,960
of Steve Whittamore,
private investigator,

520
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,000
convicted of using illegal means.
Your name's there.

521
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,000
Information about Jamie Theakston,

522
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,960
about Anne Robinson,
about Anna Friel...

523
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,960
There are public interest factors...
Know what, Jules? Just stop.

524
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,960
Take a leaf out of Rupert Murdoch's
book and get humble.

525
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,960
Or else just go quiet.

526
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800
People don't believe you any more.
Right. We're done being bullied

527
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,480
by you any more.
We've had enough of you.

528
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,960
Two years after this,

529
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,960
Jules Stenson pled guilty
to conspiracy to hack phones, but...

530
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,960
Well, I wish I knew that
at this moment.

531
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,960
SOFT JAZZ MUSIC
PLAYS

532
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,960


533
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,960


534
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:03,960


535
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,960


536
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,960


537
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,960
BANGING ON DOOR

538
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,960


539
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Detective Chief Superintendent
Dave Cook.

540
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,640
INAUDIBLE

541
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,960
PHONE BUZZES,
SCRUBBING

542
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,160
BUZZING CONTINUES

543
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,000
Hello.
'Hi, Jacqui. It's Dave.'

544
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,960
David. What's this number?

545
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Listen, Jacqui, I am...

546
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,960
I... I need you to pick up the kids.

547
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,960
'Where are you calling from?'

548
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,960
It's, erm...

549
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,960
It's actually
a police station number, Jacqui.

550
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960
I've been arrested.
What?

551
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,960
On what charge?

552
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,960
It's misconduct, data protection.

553
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:24,960
I...

554
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,960
They raided the house.
Well, did they find anything?

555
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,960
'Some old files.'

556
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,960
What files? What...?
Why did you have files at home?

557
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,960
HINGES CREAK
I don't...

558
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,320
'What the fuck are they doing?'

559
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,960
I don't know, Jacqui!

560
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:47,960
I don't know.

561
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960
What do we do? How can we help him?

562
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,960
GLEN: 'I'm not sure we're gonna help
until we know what they have.'

563
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,960
Well, we have to do something.

564
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,960
'Nick, we both know he was passing
information to both of us,

565
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,960
'and they've arrested
Amelia's source.

566
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,480
'Sit tight. We'll find an answer.'

567
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,960
OK. Bye.

568
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,960
I don't know
what you think you have here.

569
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,960
How about a cup of tea, sir?
No. I would like to leave.

570
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,960
I'm supposed to be giving evidence
tomorrow.

571
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,000
I'm a participant in Leveson.

572
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,960
But, then, I suppose
you already know that.

573
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,160
This conversation
is being recorded, so... Yes.

574
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,320
I understand that you've refused
legal representation. Yes.

575
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,960
And I do need to check that
you do fully understand your rights.

576
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,960
I'm 40 years
in the police force, son.

577
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,960
Yes, I understand my rights.

578
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,960
Good. All right.

579
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Let's start from the beginning,
then, shall we?

580
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,960
Tell me about your relationship
with the journalist Mike Sullivan.

581
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,160
No comment.

582
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,960
So you deny passing information
to journalists?

583
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960
And, as you know, police officers
working for Operation Elveden...

584
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,960
Operation Elveden is about bribery.

585
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,320
I have never accepted money
from a journalist in my life.

586
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,960
This is an operation looking into
the corrupt relations

587
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,960
between police and the press.

588
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,320
News International sent us emails.

589
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,800
News International sent you emails?
They were sent from their server.

590
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,960
Have you any idea...?

591
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,960
Do you deny
you were in regular contact

592
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,640
with the journalist Mike Sullivan?

593
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,960
Mike Sullivan and I worked together.

594
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,960
It was John Yates who introduced us.

595
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,960
He had access to my investigation

596
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,320
in return for writing
helpful articles in the newspaper.

597
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,960
I have done nothing

598
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960
that a million police officers
before me haven't done.

599
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000
It is standard police practice.

600
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,960
So you did nothing wrong?
Nothing.

601
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,800
Forty years in the police service

602
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,960
and you didn't know
you broke the law?

603
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,160
Shame on you.

604
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,960
SHARP RINGING
IN DAVE'S HEAD

605
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,000
RINGING CONTINUES

606
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,000
They're trying to get us all.
They're waiting for any mistake.

607
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,960
Then let's try not to make
any mistakes. Come inside.

608
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,960
DOOR CLOSES

609
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,960
Lindsay found a spare duvet
from somewhere.

610
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,000
I don't need to stay.
You should. I'd like you to.

611
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Doing a sleepover
with the editor of The Guardian?

612
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,960
Not editor. Friend.

613
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,960
This... This may not be
entirely comfortable.

614
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960
I should be helping.

615
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Yes, you should.

616
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,960
A journalist
running away to America,

617
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,960
two police officers under arrest.

618
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,960
You're so paranoid, you're having
this house periodically debugged,

619
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,000
and it's...

620
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,960
It's all your fault.
SIGHING: Yeah.

621
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,960
You remember when we first met?

622
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,800
I felt like a child
who'd forgot his pencil.

623
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,960
You were so thrusting,
and, well, I wasn't.

624
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960
But you were ambitious.
Hugely.

625
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,000
Compensating for who knows what?

626
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960
And I thought, "Well, if everyone
at The Guardian's like him,

627
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,960
"I'm done for."
NICK LAUGHS

628
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,960
Thankfully, they weren't.

629
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,960
And thankfully, as it turns out,
I had something to offer you...

630
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,960
..as you had something to offer me.

631
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,480
Nick...

632
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,960
..don't mistake the fact
you were first through the door

633
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,000
with the fact that everyone else

634
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,480
went through the same door
willingly.

635
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,000
The sacrifices weren't for you.
They were for your cause.

636
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,960
You're part of a team, Nick.

637
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,320
The funny thing is,
you always have been.

638
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,960
I think
he's gonna get away with it...

639
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,960
..Murdoch.

640
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,960
I think he's gonna get away with it.
Perhaps.

641
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,960
Perhaps that's what abusers do.

642
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,960
Get away with things.

643
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Or perhaps not.

644
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,960
Not really. Maybe...

645
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,320
Maybe...

646
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,960
..deep down inside them,
there's just...

647
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,960
..damage.

648
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Yes, but sometimes...

649
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,960
Yes, but sometimes, the damage
they caused sometimes...

650
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,960
But you're not trying to excuse her.
Him.

651
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,960
No, Nick.

652
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,960
I'm not trying to excuse your mother
or him.

653
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,960
I'm saying...

654
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,960
..all we can do is fight
the best we can, and...

655
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,960
..hope we prove to be
a valiant opponent.

656
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,960
And personally speaking, I...

657
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,960
I am so proud to have been a part

658
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,800
of this great, valiant act.

659
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,960
Whatever happens...

660
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,960
..know that.

661
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,960
OK. You're OK.

662
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,960
BALL BOUNCES

663
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,960
DOOR OPENS,
FOOTSTEPS

664
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,960
Don't worry. You're before me.
I'm just...

665
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,960
..insanely, horrifically early.

666
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,960
It's Jacqui, isn't it?
Yes.

667
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,160
I read your statement. Strong stuff.

668
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,960
Harrowing, punchy. Nick, by the way.

669
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,480
I know, and thank you.

670
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,960
Coming from you, that's...
Thank you.

671
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,960
May I...?
I mean, I hope it's OK to ask.

672
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,960
How's David?
Oh.

673
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,960
It's been a week since we spoke,

674
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
but he's back in his house
at least.

675
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,480
He won't take my calls.
He will when he's ready.

676
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,000
It won't be you. It'll be him.

677
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,960
It's generally him.

678
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,640
He helped, by the way.

679
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,960
I'm not sure whether you're aware,
but he helped all of us.

680
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,960
He was key.

681
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,960
We wouldn't be here
without his help.

682
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Sorry. I'll leave you
to let you prep, run your lines.

683
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,960
Oh, God.

684
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,960
I'm usually good with details,
but for some reason today,

685
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,960
my mind keeps going blank.

686
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,960
INHALES DEEPLY

687
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,640
SIGHS

688
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:47,960
I didn't sleep much.

689
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,960
I didn't sleep much last night.

690
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:54,960
Not a wink.

691
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,800
But, then, I don't sleep.
I'm not someone who sleeps.

692
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,960
You always been like that?
Since I was a boy, yeah.

693
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,960
Dave did tell you I wasn't
a simple guy to understand, right?

694
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,960
I've had days recently
where I can't remember my own name.

695
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,000
I've been in rooms full of people
and forgotten why I'm even there.

696
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,640
I suffer, and I have done for years,
from panic attacks.

697
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,800
Every time I sat down
to write this statement, I'd...

698
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,960
But this morning, I woke up,
and I felt clear,

699
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,960
clearer than I have done in years.

700
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:31,960
That's good.
Yes.

701
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,640
Just remember,

702
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,000
in the storm of all of this,

703
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,960
in all the mea culpa of...

704
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,480
..News Of The World,

705
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:49,960
they decided that
in the middle of this inquiry

706
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,960
to launch The Sun On Sunday.

707
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,800
You're right. They're bold.

708
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Hmm.

709
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,960
Hmm.

710
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,480
That thing you were doing
with the ball, I don't mind,

711
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,960
if it helps to calm you.

712
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,960
Oh, come on. Drive you insane.
I've been tested by bigger things.

713
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,960
Please. Do what you need to do.

714
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960
Oh. Yeah.

715
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,960
DISTANT SIREN
WAILS

716
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:39,960
'I'll be honest.
I'm scared of this inquiry.'

717
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,960
I'm scared because I think you'll
take the wrong recommendations...

718
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,960
..and because you'll destroy
something which is precious

719
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,960
without rebuilding something better.

720
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,960
I don't want destroyed
the notion of the unofficial source.

721
00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,960
Sue Akers has arrested...

722
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:03,960
..37, 38 people

723
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,480
in the four inquiries
she's been running.

724
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,160
There have been a couple of arrests
of police officers

725
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,960
in cases where I know quite a lot
about the circumstances.

726
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,960
'What's happened there
is those officers have been told

727
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,960
'they will be charged with
the common-law offence

728
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960
'of misconduct in a public office.

729
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,960
'Despite,
to the best of my knowledge,

730
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,960
'there being no allegation
of any kind of bribe or inducement.'

731
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,960
What those officers are being told
is, "You will be charged,

732
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,960
"and you can expect to get
a prison term of up to 18 months

733
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,960
"because you've spoken
to a reporter without permission."

734
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Now... these two cases are live,
we don't know how they'll turn out.

735
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,960
May well be that the
Crown Prosecution Service will say,

736
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,960
"Hang on a moment.
This doesn't apply."

737
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,960
But... I think it's worrying,

738
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960
and this is in the wake
of the phone hacking...

739
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:01,960
I worry that it might be

740
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,960
a completely unjustifiable
and unnecessary backlash

741
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,480
to the allegation of collusion

742
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,960
between News International
and the Met.

743
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,960
And the ultimate effect here may be
to prevent unauthorised contact

744
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,800
between journalists and police.

745
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,000
When, as a matter of fact,
without this unauthorised contact,

746
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,960
the Metropolitan Police
would've been allowed

747
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,960
to carry on misleading press,
public and parliament

748
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,960
about this whole scandal.

749
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,960
I'm also scared that this inquiry

750
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,960
might misstep
in a different direction.

751
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,480
Might soften itself... as it's
attacked from outside sources.

752
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,320
I have been under attack,
in one form or another,

753
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,960
ever since I first attempted
to reveal the practice of hacking.

754
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,640
And I-I-I...

755
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,000
I represent here today...

756
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,640
..a team of people, all of whom
have been under similar attacks.

757
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,960
'I've had to face extraordinary
things to be part of this fight.

758
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,960
'They've done so because
what you're doing here today

759
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,960
'is precious.

760
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,960
'News.

761
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,320
'I think... I think
the best definition of it...

762
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,960
'News is what someone somewhere
doesn't want you to know.'

763
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,960
The most difficult, skilful,
interesting, important... stuff

764
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,960
that reporters do
is about finding human sources

765
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,960
and motivating them
to help reveal that news.

766
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,960
And I can... I can tell you

767
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,960
of someone
at the front line of that.

768
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,960
News is also often what someone
is reluctant to tell.

769
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,960
So it's hard
to motivate a human source

770
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,960
to reveal their truth.

771
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,960
I'd say, look, if I talk to you
and they realise I've done this,

772
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,960
then I'll lose my job or my career.

773
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,960
Or I'll be beaten up,
I'll be arrested,

774
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,960
or embarrassed or ashamed.

775
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,960
I will hurt people who love me.
It's a very sensitive moment.

776
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,480
You have to make those people safe.

777
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,960
You have
to make those people realise

778
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,960
their truth is worth the risk.

779
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,960
What these hackers did was about
cutting out that human connection.

780
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,160
These so-called journalists
didn't find the truth.

781
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,960
They didn't persuade people
to come with them. They just stole.

782
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,480
They took.

783
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,960
And humanity was lost
in that moment.

784
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,960
Not only in the privacy
that was invaded,

785
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,960
but also in the stories told
from it.

786
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,960
Our papers became dish rags
of distorted content.

787
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,960
And a set of rogue journalists
working for a rogue corporation...

788
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,800
..undermine the very tenets
of journalism...

789
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,800
..the very tenets of truth telling.

790
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,960
If this inquiry succeeds, we may
be able to rebuild our newspapers.

791
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,960
We may be able to make them
what they should be.

792
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,960
Fail...

793
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,960
and News International will have
trapped us all in their shadow.

794
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,960
And I'm scared that
we will never get out.

795
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,960
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796
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,320
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797
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,160
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798
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,960
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799
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,960
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800
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,960
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801
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,960
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802
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,480
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803
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,480
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804
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:32,160
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805
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,640
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806
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,960
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807
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,960
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808
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,160
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809
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,960
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810
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,000
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